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Are Frame Nets No Longer Legal ???? Updated Info

Discussion in 'Shrimping Chatter = Anything To Do With Shrimping' started by Nautical Gator, Oct 19, 2015.


  1. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    ALAN WROTE

    I'm definitely not a lawyer, but a frame net is still a frame net according to those specifications listed in those sections. It appears that this was most likely a case of an officer misinterpreting the law. I plan to continue to use my "frame net" since the law does allow it.
     
  2. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    The frame isn't in question it's the materials from all the information I've read. I haven't seen the ticket nor do I know facts behind it.
     
  3. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    What we do know is if the officer gave them a ticked for shrimping, using the frame net while boat was in motion, or the officer was pissed at the person and figured he well just give a citation to the person, so the angler would have the hassle of going to court to have it dismissed.

    All they would need to do is printout the FWC page showing that you are allowed to use frame nets.

    So even if the department of fisheries says you are not to use mono, you will be allowed because it is posted on the FWCs website, and this is where you go to look up current laws.

    If you were ever ticketed, it would be thrown out because the FWC has it posted on their site, and to department contradict one another.

    Case dismissed.
     
  4. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    I've checked the FWC site several times in the last few days regarding this issue and I haven't seen anything. This leaves me with the opinion that the angler might have run his mouth to the officer or was being somewhat
    Unscrupulous in his endeavor.
    But until I see something in print from the FWC I plan on the continued use of my frame net just as it is...

    Seeing how all this hoopla is based on
    One persons post I have to ask myself, is this person credible??? Or is this another attempt to draw self attention?
     
  5. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    LIVEWIRE WROTE

    It's on FWCS website. Gear specs and prohibited gear chapter 68B-4
    I'm sure it hasn't changed because under a 2" mesh its NOT an entangleing net
     
  6. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    We feel that this was just a matter of someone blowing off some stream without taking the time to check on it.

    Our Club called and we found out the answer in about five minutes and informed our club members of it... as a matter of fact, when I called, that was the first they heard of this, so when I explained the rummer was being sent to angers by someone, they said that they would check on it and get back with me. Which they did, and I was assured that it was a roomer, and that they would send out a hot sheet if things changed. and post it in the FWC web site.

    There was no need for any person to make such a big issue out of something that could have been cleared up in no time... it was simply irresponsible!!! to get a lot of Anglers upset over nothing.

    So if you ask me I cleared this whole thing up in five minutes on day one.

    Sounds like this whole thing was made up to draw self attention. No one has seen any notice, and this pops up out of thin air.

    Some people just like creating drama. Hence the name drama queen.
     
  7. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    You're absolutely right.
     
  8. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    News flash;..... The FWC has broken a record by repealing a law that nobody knew anything about in 3 days❓
    Seriously, does anybody believe this load of crap????
    Supposedly this was done because of overwhelming public pressure.
    This whole fiasco was brought to public attention by the issuance of a ticket 2 days before the so called law went into effect.
    Absolutely amazing how fast a state agency can repeal a law that was secretly put into effect... Really???

    I'm calling BULLSHIT on this!!!!!
     
  9. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    ALAN WROTE

    Most definately smells of something and me thinks I know what!
     
  10. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    My father in law called it "road apples"
     
  11. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    I searched 68B-4.0081
    As you can see in the photos below
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    And when I hit search:

    5fa16b989cdd6d3d427cdc7486846464e72b397a_r.jpg

    Would you look at that wealth of information that popped up
     
  12. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    Being that I called on day one, and they said that they have not heard of any changes in the rules but they would check on it with all departments, and after they check with all departments and called me back stating, there has been NO changes in the frame net rules,

    probably with someone spreading a rummer and putting everyone in panic mode then with the influx of phone calls driving them nuts,

    they probably just figured to keep from having anymore rummer outbreaks they will post a new rule to keep from getting bombarded with calls trying to find out if the rummers were true.

    perhaps they should try to track down the person who started the rummer.
     
  13. Nautical Gator

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  14. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    Well it appears that the members of this forum and several members of a another forum are in undeniable agreement over the rumor of the
    "Illegal frame net fiasco". that its smoke and mirrors or just plain old drama.
    BTW the other forum is the Florida sportsman, who'd ya think I was talking about...LOL
    The members there where thinking its a selling scam. WOW. That really would be a rotten thing to do to the shrimping community!
    Just remember, when the rumor went out it was quickly refuted as untrue with one phone call from Shrimpnfish florida...
    1. 02-17-2015, 11:06 AM#1Capt_LeeNoga user-offline.png Junior MemberJoin DateDec 2011Posts10 2/16/15 - Box/Frame and Seine Nets ILLEGAL IN FLORIDA
      Please do not deploy any mono-filament box/frame or seine net. FWC since January privately talked about outlawing these devices. They ruled they would be enforcing this new reg. They are saying it is the MONO material that categorizes our gear as a ENTANGLEMENT GILL net. We have been on the phone with lawyers and higher powers.

      The webbing has to be nylon to be legal.

      Ed Shumaker, myself and others are out in front of this and we will most likely head to court.

      The law went into effect at 1:30 pm on 2/16/15.

      They will issue a warning the first time
      Ticket the second time.

      The statute is 68-B-4.007 and commercial guys CANNOT use wing nets either.

      More news forth coming as it develops.

      I will develop this store on my FB page Capt their (website) forum link out.
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    2. 02-17-2015, 06:30 PM#2Specialist user-offline.png Member image.php?u=3433&dateline=1309055991.jpg Join DateJun 2011LocationSouth DaytonaPosts67
      Sure would be nice if you would tell everyone where this information is coming from and exactly where it can be confirmed. I cannot find any news of it on the FWC website or the FALCON (Florida Administrative Law Central Online Network).
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    3. 02-19-2015, 10:27 AM#3Capt_LeeNoga user-offline.png Junior MemberJoin DateDec 2011Posts10
      Update 2/19/15

      Mono-filament collection devices (dip nets and cast nets excluded) WILL be enforced.

      The meetings are over, this rule stands. Please flood FWC with your opposition Lt. Irvin Titusville, Officer Horst, Bio Scientist & Legal Christa Shipley clear.gif Reply With Quote
    4. 02-19-2015, 10:30 AM#4Capt_LeeNoga user-offline.png Junior MemberJoin DateDec 2011Posts10
      Refer to: 68B-4.0081 Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications.

      68B-4.0081 Statewide Net Gear Specifications; Soaking Requirements; Definitions; Cast Net Specifications.

      (1) This rule is intended to implement prohibitions and restrictions of Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution. As used there and in this rule, the term “net” or “netting” shall be broadly construed to include all manner or combination of mesh or webbing or any other solid or semisolid fabric or other material used to comprise a device that is used to take or harvest marine life.

      (2) The following gear specifications shall apply in all state waters:

      (a) The use or placement in the water of any gill or entangling nets of any size is prohibited.

      (b) Any net constructed wholly or partially of monofilament or multistrand monofilament material, other than a hand thrown cast net, or a handheld landing or dip net, shall be considered an entangling net prohibited by Article X, Section 16 of the Florida Constitution, and this rule, unless otherwise authorized by rule of the Commission.

      The term “multistrand monofilament” does not include braided or twisted twines made of nylon, cotton, linen, or polypropylene.


      Note: This is why nylon will make a shrimping collection device legal.
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    5. 02-19-2015, 11:31 AM#5Capt_LeeNoga user-offline.png Junior MemberJoin DateDec 2011Posts10
      UPDATE on ILLEGAL MONO Box & Frame Nets--

      WE WON! They are NOT enforcing 68B-4.0081 rule, we can use mono shrimping collection devices and a directive will be published on FWC website shortly. They are changing this rule to include mono box and frame nets as exempt.

      USE your mono shrimping collection devices. We got FWC attention by having 100's of calls sent their way and the shrimping industry has been heard!...

      Thank you for joining the Capt their and Ed Shumaker in this fight. Please spread the word. "This rule will NOT be enforced" says Capt Rowe.
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    6. Yesterday, 10:53 AM#6Reel Teal user-offline.png Senior Member image.php?u=45369&dateline=1420828805.jpg Join DateJan 2014LocationSanford, FLPosts695
      Weird how FWC had never heard of this. Never anything on their website either. I wonder how many nylon nets were sold. I hope no one was duped by this misleading information rolleyes.gif : i don't even think the statue referenced even exists
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    7. Yesterday, 12:37 PM#7Ousatsu user-offline.png Junior MemberJoin DateApr 2014Posts12
      reel teal, the statue exists and was easily found via google. i am not saying that there was a change to the rules recently, just that the rules are there. I didnt notice anything specific to shrimping, but i also didnt look very hard

      https://www.flrules.org/gateway/Rule...?ID=68B-4.0081
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    8. Yesterday, 12:41 PM#8Reel Teal user-offline.png Senior Member image.php?u=45369&dateline=1420828805.jpg Join DateJan 2014LocationSanford, FLPosts695
      quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Ousatsu viewpost-right.png reel teal, the statue exists and was easily found via google. i am not saying that there was a change to the rules recently, just that the rules are there. I didnt notice anything specific to shrimping, but i also didnt look very hard

      https://www.flrules.org/gateway/Rule...?ID=68B-4.0081That's not the statute referenced. I found that one, im talking about .007

      As to the commission to now decide the nets are not allowed to then be able to enforce the law seems a stretch. No FWC personel in Tallahassee or field officers i talked to ever heard of this. $$$$$
      Last edited by Reel Teal; Yesterday at 12:48 PM.
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    9. Yesterday, 01:02 PM#9Ousatsu user-offline.png Junior MemberJoin DateApr 2014Posts12
      gotcha, my apologies i missed that. been a really hectic and long day at work so far. a quick google search didnt find anything either, although i suppose that it could be a typo but nothing really seems close to it or somehow a misunderstanding about this (timing is at least semi interesting).

      http://www.floridatoday.com/story/ne...-ban/23744603/

      personally i would have risked the ticket then fought it out in court. however if it was a misrepresentation i suppose someone could reach out to the attorney general and file a complaint. There is a whole slew of fraud statues that might apply, especially if they refuse a refund. ;)

      http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...17-%3EPart%20I
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    10. Yesterday, 01:12 PM#10Reel Teal user-offline.png Senior Member image.php?u=45369&dateline=1420828805.jpg Join DateJan 2014LocationSanford, FLPosts695
      no worries at all. just think its weird how a supplier of nets passes on this info and no one else hears about it and quickly its overturned. I cant even think of another scenario where something like that has happened. only over 100 phone calls were needed lol right. If that's all it took then we would have our way with the wildlife laws. seems fishy to me, thats all. the reasoning to buy a net rather than risk a ticket was also a bit fishy to me. to each his own though. I receive countless emails about everything from FWC and know some officers. When we were scrambling to find out what was going on they all were unaware. one of the officers patrols an area with heavy shrimping, i figured he ought to know since he would be one to give out tickets for the offense.
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  15. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    I agree with the members of florida sportsman that it's a scam, but it's only my opinion, feel free to form your own opinion after reading what was said throughout...
    Ken.
     
  16. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    CRAIG WROTE

    Can you say WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!! there are so many discrepancies in regards to the dipping
    nets and frame nets we use for shrimping the biggest to me seems to be that they were being
    referred to as an entanglement nets (???) to me the mesh size of the nets we use is way to small
    to ever be considered entangling and the occasional small bait fish or shrimp that may be small
    enough to actually get stuck IN the mesh surely isn't going to decimate the entire species!!! Aren't
    assumptions and accusations on one persons part amazing things!!

    Gone feeshin, as often as I can, but not as much as I'd like to!!!
     
  17. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    She's back at it again. Sounds to me like someone got caught holding the "bag" or replacement bags and has to unload them pretty quick.
    Seeing how the last time this issue was brought up they used the term "we won" and now she's stating that frame nets with monofilament are illegal again. Really??

    "Nothing makes a fish bigger than almost being caught"
    Edited 1 time by Keep it reel Sep 2 15 5:52 PM.
     
  18. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    It's amazing how one would repeatedly spread false rumors that mono frame nets are not legal...

    As I stated last time, I called the FWC and they said unless otherwise posted on the FWC site, mono frame nets are legal to use...

    see below

    shrimp.jpg Recreational Shrimping Regulations

    Bag Limit: Individuals can take 5 gallons, heads on, per harvester per day. Possession limit of no more than 5 gallons, heads on, per vessel at any time regardless of the number of persons onboard.

    Size limit: None

    Closed season: April and May closed in Nassau, Duval, St. Johns, Putnam, Flagler and Clay counties.

    Closed areas: Contact your nearest FWC Law Enforcement office for local restrictions.

    License requirement: Recreational saltwater fishing license (resident or non-resident), unless a recreational saltwater fishing license exemption applies.

    *View the full Recreational Shrimping Restrictions. icon_external.png

    Allowable recreational nets for the harvest of shrimp:
    • Landing or dip net with an opening no larger than 96 inches around the perimeter.
    • Cast net with a stretched length (the distance from the horn at the center of the net, with the net gathered and pulled taut, to the lead line) no greater than 14 feet.
    • Push net - "Push net" means a mesh net or bag attached to the outer edges of a triangular or rectangular rigid frame with a handle attached that is fished by being pushed across the bottom by a person wading.
    • A beach or haul seine with a mesh area no larger than 500 square feet, mesh size no large than 2 inches stretched mesh, and may not be made of monofilament.
    • One frame net with an opening no larger than 16 feet around the perimeter, if deployed from a vessel or from a structure other than an operational bridge or causeway or catwalk attached to such bridge or causeway. "Frame net" means a net in the form of an elongated bag kept open by a rigid frame that is buoyed by floats and is not fished or dragged along the bottom. A Frame net that is dragged or towed is considered to be a trawl, which is not allowed for the recreational harvest of shrimp. Frame nets cannot be used to harvest shrimp in any waters off of Dade County.
    Shrimp Trap Guidelines
    • Harvesters can use up to four shrimp traps.
    • Shrimp traps cannot exceed the following dimensions: 36 inches long by 24 inches wide by 12 inches high. Shrimp traps also cannot have external or unattached wings, weirs or other devices intended to funnel shrimp into the trap.
    • The harvester's name and address shall be securely affixed to each trap. Any trap not having proper identification is subject to confiscation by the commission.
    • Any shrimp trap on public property which is not attended by the person whose name is affixed to the trap is subject to confiscation by the commission.
    Baiting Information
    A person recreationally harvesting shrimp may use a cast net in conjunction with nonmetal poles to bait shrimp while adhering to the following rules:

    • No more than five poles shall be set at any one time by any person.
    • Each pole may not exceed one inch in diameter.
    • Poles shall be driven into the bottom, set no closer than 10 yards apart and the distance between the first and last pole shall not exceed 50 yards.
    • Poles shall only be set, fished and retrieved during daylight hours. The term "daylight hours" means the period beginning 1/2 hour before official sunrise and continuing through 1/2 hour after official sunset, each day. All poles shall be removed each day by 1/2 hour after official sunset.
    • Each pole shall be marked with white reflective tape.
    • No pole shall be set within 50 yards of any dock, pier, public boat landing or ramp, seawall, jetty or bridge.
    • Poles shall be tended at all times. The term "tend" means that the harvester is within 100 yards of the nearest pole at all times.
    http://myfwc.com/fishing/saltwater/recreational/shrimp/
     
  19. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    Once again, I looked through the FWC web site and could NOT find anything regarding this rule. There was a mention of monofilament nets but it clearly stated that shrimp nets where exempt. That rule was from 7/1/05. A very brazen betrayal is being put upon the shrimping community for nothing more than personal financial gain!

    "Nothing makes a fish bigger than almost being caught"
     
  20. Nautical Gator

    Nautical Gator Forum Captain, Moderator, Peacekeeper Staff Member
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    KEN WROTE

    This whole thing about the frame nets with mono is rubbing me raw!! When this all started back in February of 2015 it was quickly put to rest by a bunch of phone calls supposedly. And a post that stated "we won". What happened between them and now??? Sounds like someone is trying to put some money in @&$ pocket. This is just plain wrong on every level. Why can't people just be honest and do what's right instead of taking advantage of people who put there trust in them. Shame on them!!!

    "Nothing makes a fish bigger than almost being caught"
     

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